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debt as well as the global economy. according to rex macy it is. he thinks there's a good chance that risk fears will rise and, therefore, the market will pull back. will that be the moment for investors to get in. good to see you, gentlemen. thanks so much for joining us. what are you expecting in terms of this market 2013? >> sure. well, right now we're at 1472 on the s&p. we think it's going to go marginally higher from here, but it's not going to be a smooth ride. we've got a vix at 13 and change. that's too low. that's where the complacency comes from. you see it there. as we move into the debt ceiling debate, it can be far harder to solve than the taxes, we think the market can be down for a while, and before it comes back up. >> so you're looking for a decline, and perhaps that is an entry point for some. do you agree with that? >> i think any decline is an opportunity to buy, maria. i'm very, very bullish on u.s. equities and one of the main reasons i am the u.s. energy story which i think is a story that's not being told as well as it shou
debt as well as the global economy. according to rex macy it is. he thinks there's a good chance that risk fears will rise and, therefore, the market will pull back. will that be the moment for investors to get in. good to see you, gentlemen. thanks so much for joining us. what are you expecting in terms of this market 2013? >> sure. well, right now we're at 1472 on the s&p. we think it's going to go marginally higher from here, but it's not going to be a smooth ride. we've got a vix...
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we will let you know what he's saying about our economy and the future fed action. as we know that can be market moving. this event could move the markets tomorrow. david: that's a live picture coming out of michigan. we will be going right back there. also the news of apple cutting down orders for iphone parts is driving the stock way down again today. we have an apple analyst who cut his price target by 150 bucks back in december. does he think it's also time for the company to cut their ceo tim cook? sandra: shares of dell soaring on talk of a buyout. more on both tech stories coming up. keep it right here. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] this is karen anjeremiah. they don't know it yet, but they' gonna fall in love, get married, have a couple of kids, [ children laughing ] move to the country, and live a long, happy life together where they almost never fight about money. [ dog barks ] because right after they get married, they'll find some retirement people who are paid on salary, not commission. they'll get straightforrd guidance and be able to focus on other thing
we will let you know what he's saying about our economy and the future fed action. as we know that can be market moving. this event could move the markets tomorrow. david: that's a live picture coming out of michigan. we will be going right back there. also the news of apple cutting down orders for iphone parts is driving the stock way down again today. we have an apple analyst who cut his price target by 150 bucks back in december. does he think it's also time for the company to cut their ceo...
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the chinese economy is obviously a major and inner ene ener -- f iron ore. it looks that the fundamentals are in place for an aussie breakout. >> give us your levels, todd. >> sure. the australian dollar, technically speaking, is facing a breakout, 1.06. this is a range that's been in place for almost a year and a half. so, 1.06 is the entrillion on a weekly break. you want to take profit up around 110. >> all right, todd, thank you for that. todd gordon of aspen. and more money in motion every friday, 5:30 p.m. eastern time. tim, in terms of the iron ore, we saw big spikes in the price in fourth quarter in china. >> yeah, how about a vej mite sandwich, too? you have big chinese data coming out, but iron ore, goldman has that note out. watch that chart. >> let's play a little good, bad and ugly and tonight -- stars dan nay tan. first up, dan said to keep an eye on yahoo!. take a listen. >> the mighty goldman sachs reinitiated the stock with a buy of $22, 12-month price target. they say the sum of the parts is much greater. i actually agree. implied volatilit
the chinese economy is obviously a major and inner ene ener -- f iron ore. it looks that the fundamentals are in place for an aussie breakout. >> give us your levels, todd. >> sure. the australian dollar, technically speaking, is facing a breakout, 1.06. this is a range that's been in place for almost a year and a half. so, 1.06 is the entrillion on a weekly break. you want to take profit up around 110. >> all right, todd, thank you for that. todd gordon of aspen. and more...
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we'll get an indication of where the economy is going and where it's been. volatility, people also watching apple k. it regain $500, that's been, you know, a lot of chatter here and there. and then on the equities side, 1471.25 on s&p futures the high back a few days ago. if we could break through the level, you will see increased fund flows, more money coming to the market to the long side. and it seems like, you know, i'm really -- surprised because the debt ceiling concern and talks, it's been pretty much nonexistent on the industrial -- >> the markets at fresh five-year highs. >> yeah. it's all because we had the fiscal cliff. and it was so volatile coming into it. we saw some massive swings and massive breakdowns coming into it. it seemed like the market was all over the place. with the debt ceiling, everyone thinks they'll kick the can, raise the debt ceiling up, or get resolved within -- >> that mean the market's at risk? it would seem yes, right? >> see, if you -- my opinion of what will happen is if there's any small breakdown in it, you know, if th
we'll get an indication of where the economy is going and where it's been. volatility, people also watching apple k. it regain $500, that's been, you know, a lot of chatter here and there. and then on the equities side, 1471.25 on s&p futures the high back a few days ago. if we could break through the level, you will see increased fund flows, more money coming to the market to the long side. and it seems like, you know, i'm really -- surprised because the debt ceiling concern and talks,...
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the financials are a pure play against an improving economy. that is a procyclical type investment strategy looking at industrial financial technology. i think that is where we are. liz: american express, you also like leucadia as another pic. i guess it acts as a dow component. would love to know your perspective right now. >> they put out a good number today. again, here' here is another sin where management is running the business very well. additionally they have the right kind of finance in here right now, the upper echelon client, those people who pay their bills and pay them on time, you also have the benefit getting exposure in the emerging market. one of the keys for being successful for big businesses right now is to make sure you have exposure in these emerging markets. that is where real growth is happening and they could offset to that 2% growth rate we are experiencing in the u.s. that is one of the things you havlook for in these markets rit now. david: information technology, you are big on ebay. why? >> if you look at what ebay
the financials are a pure play against an improving economy. that is a procyclical type investment strategy looking at industrial financial technology. i think that is where we are. liz: american express, you also like leucadia as another pic. i guess it acts as a dow component. would love to know your perspective right now. >> they put out a good number today. again, here' here is another sin where management is running the business very well. additionally they have the right kind of...
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to get the economy growing faster. >> would you be one? >> unlike the congress, the fed has done quite a lot and there isn't very much more the fed could do. i would certainly be with chairman bernanke. i was happy when they switched over, which is likely to have a bigger impact on the economy. the other thing i've been urging on the fed but they're not doing it is cut the interest rates by holding idle excess reserves in the hope that some of that will go into the economy. >> we have to leave it there, but thank you very much for your thoughts today. let's bring in don peebles of the peebles corporate. don, great to have you on the set today. >> good to be here. >> how does it play out? >> in the end it's a lot of drama about a profungtsry performance. the government needs to stand behind its credit. that's one of the benefits as a government, we get low rates because our credit is good. it's a shame we're spejd all this time. we spent much more than we take in. and we can't continue do that. we even done what we're going to do on the tax
to get the economy growing faster. >> would you be one? >> unlike the congress, the fed has done quite a lot and there isn't very much more the fed could do. i would certainly be with chairman bernanke. i was happy when they switched over, which is likely to have a bigger impact on the economy. the other thing i've been urging on the fed but they're not doing it is cut the interest rates by holding idle excess reserves in the hope that some of that will go into the economy. >>...
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the tailwind for housing recovery will provide for the banking sector for consumer confidence for our economy in general. we have to see financials do well kicking off tomorrow. david: we're going to talk the market just tomorrow about this, but is there any kind of move we could see a selloff springtime when a lot of people are saving their cash? >> that is so well advertised. everybody whereby short-term correction and to that point maybe people talking about the next of the 1425, the next resistance, going up to far too fast, but so well advertised. everybody knows what they are. still seems to be higher. everybody is thinking we will see a correction and that is probably why we will not see one. david: thank you very much. we will see you in a couple of minutes when the market closes. hang on for that. liz: let's bring in our panel for the market. let me begin with you. you are pretty bearish, but to say you're bearish is unfair to the viewers because the market is such a huge living, breathing creature. where are you most concerned and what do you like that doesn't scare you? >> we like
the tailwind for housing recovery will provide for the banking sector for consumer confidence for our economy in general. we have to see financials do well kicking off tomorrow. david: we're going to talk the market just tomorrow about this, but is there any kind of move we could see a selloff springtime when a lot of people are saving their cash? >> that is so well advertised. everybody whereby short-term correction and to that point maybe people talking about the next of the 1425, the...
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the overall economy is now in focus. you and many other investors were bearish for most of 2012, now you're looking at consumer names like staples. where did staples come from in your mind? >> the data really supports, in my opinion, getting bullish now. i was bullish for most of 2012. i have been bullish for most of the time, but definitely second half of 2012 until the economic data, whether it was housing, whether it was consumption and even the labor market. i am not saying things are going gangbusters, but it is okay and makes us think what would happen if we didn't have to worry about all the drama in washington, d.c.? after marching something will be resolved one way or another, and we will be out of drama for a little while. i want to see how the economy picks up then. you asked about staples. cheryl: down 17%. and you are buying it? >> yes. it has been beaten down for number of valid reasons. a labor market that was punkish for a while. the lows in europe. this is 3.7% dividend yield, buying back shares, we like
the overall economy is now in focus. you and many other investors were bearish for most of 2012, now you're looking at consumer names like staples. where did staples come from in your mind? >> the data really supports, in my opinion, getting bullish now. i was bullish for most of 2012. i have been bullish for most of the time, but definitely second half of 2012 until the economic data, whether it was housing, whether it was consumption and even the labor market. i am not saying things are...
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the companies that moved so aggressively overseas stopped being dragged down by our sluggish economy. the move is in its infancy. they were left for dead in 2012 and are roaring back to life. i think they will gain steam as the wrangling in washington goes on for the rest of the year and beyond. fred in ohio, fred? >> caller: yes, jim. boo-yah. this is fred from ohio. it's a pleasure to talk to you. >> we loved ohio when we went out there last year to see massillon play some other ohio team. we were in that town. >> caller: i've been watching you from day one. >> thank you. >> caller: i want to know what do you expect from pepsi on the first quarter earnings and china and the association with burger king and marketing. what do you think of the first quarter earnings? >> i think the ceo is going to deliver a really, really good quarter. i think that stock -- its emphasis on emerging markets, it's going to do a great job. i would own pepsico going into the quarter. dino in california, dino? >> caller: jimmy. >> yo-yo. >> caller: happy new year. >> happy new year. >> caller: by the way,
the companies that moved so aggressively overseas stopped being dragged down by our sluggish economy. the move is in its infancy. they were left for dead in 2012 and are roaring back to life. i think they will gain steam as the wrangling in washington goes on for the rest of the year and beyond. fred in ohio, fred? >> caller: yes, jim. boo-yah. this is fred from ohio. it's a pleasure to talk to you. >> we loved ohio when we went out there last year to see massillon play some other...
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the companies that moved so aggressively overseas stopped being dragged down by our sluggish economy. they were left for dead in 2012 and are roaring back to life. i think they will gain steam as the wrangling in washington goes on for the rest of the year and beyond. fred in ohio, fred? >> caller: yes, jim. boo-yah. this is fred from ohio. >> we loved ohio when we went out there last year to see some other ohio team. we were in that town. >> caller: i've been watching you from day one. >> thank you. >> caller: i want to know what do you expect from pepsi on the first quarter earnings and china and the association with burger king and marketing. what do you think of the first quarter earnings? >> i think the ceo is going to deliver a really, really good quarter. i think that stock -- if it's an emphasis on emerging markets, it's going to do a great job. i would own peps co-going into the quarter. dino in california, dino? >> caller: jimmy. >> yo-yo. >> caller: happy new year. >> happy new year. >> caller: by the way, i hope you shorted the mayans. >> oh, yeah. absolutely. >> caller: r
the companies that moved so aggressively overseas stopped being dragged down by our sluggish economy. they were left for dead in 2012 and are roaring back to life. i think they will gain steam as the wrangling in washington goes on for the rest of the year and beyond. fred in ohio, fred? >> caller: yes, jim. boo-yah. this is fred from ohio. >> we loved ohio when we went out there last year to see some other ohio team. we were in that town. >> caller: i've been watching you...
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it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into recession, and ironically, would probably increase our deficit. so even entertain the idea of this happening, of the united states of america not paying its bills, is irresponsible. it's absurd. as the speaker said two years ago, it would be, and i'm quoting, speaker boehner now, a finance ral disaster not only for us but for the worldwide economy. so we've got to pay our bills. and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. and they better choose quickly because time is running short. the last time republicans in congress even flirted with this idea our aaa credit
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economy. european economy. are they going to continue this, and guidance, digging down a little bit deeper into the 2013 story will be really key what the stock price does tomorrow. david: sandy, you have a little bit to add here on ebay, go ahead. >> the fact they beat four straight quarters and here they are with results pretty much right in line with analyst estimates might be the disappointment factor that is weighing in on the shares right now. after this beat we are slightly lower in after-hours trading. paypal was obviously very strong. i do want to point out that the stock has been rallying in anticipation of these numbers coming out point out. first couple weeks of the year, the stock is up 5%. there has been a lot of optimism and a lot of buying into this report. maybe a bit of selling on the news here. liz: sandra, shibani, thank you very much. we're watching ebay as well as gun control as the story develops. peter barnes is very latest on the president's announcement and comments on the issue. we'll
economy. european economy. are they going to continue this, and guidance, digging down a little bit deeper into the 2013 story will be really key what the stock price does tomorrow. david: sandy, you have a little bit to add here on ebay, go ahead. >> the fact they beat four straight quarters and here they are with results pretty much right in line with analyst estimates might be the disappointment factor that is weighing in on the shares right now. after this beat we are slightly lower...
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chances are the economy is going to get better. wouldn't that make you want to buy stocks right now. >> it does. we're not -- we're actually a little bit more bullish, esespecially the first six months of the year. we still are expecting slow growth, commodities where we're shorting assets, but in terms of u.s. and in terms of international, we do expect growth, and we are excited about what's happening, but later on in the year i think it's going to be another story. >> what do you mean by that, later on in the year? what's going to be the upset later on in the year? >> there's a lot more issues coming out in terms of europe later in the year. right now it's all about -- it's all about expectations of positive growth that we have in the u.s., but, you know, we still have issues, and investors have got to focus on -- we've got an incredible spending problem. there's still problems in europe so we don't really believe that this year is going to be like last year, but we do expect small positive returns though. >> rick santelli, i wa
chances are the economy is going to get better. wouldn't that make you want to buy stocks right now. >> it does. we're not -- we're actually a little bit more bullish, esespecially the first six months of the year. we still are expecting slow growth, commodities where we're shorting assets, but in terms of u.s. and in terms of international, we do expect growth, and we are excited about what's happening, but later on in the year i think it's going to be another story. >> what do you...
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don't forget how large that economy is relative to the world economies so i think the market has nothing but not green shoots but blossoming flowers. go buy it. >> so why then, doc, are you still more cautious than the other guys? >> partly because, judge, i like owning options instead of owning equities. i just do. the only times i like owning equities are like for instance when joe and i fight about stocks with nice yield. i mean whether it's a verizon or whether it is intel, if i'm talking about a 4% dividend yielder that i can get in there and write options against it as well and take it to double digits on the return i like that. but i don't like buying apple. i don't like buying a lot of the stocks that don't have the yield, judge, that are attractive to me. instead, i trade the options. >> speaking of verizon i'm glad you mentioned it. next week is a bonanza earnings week. there are so many important companies reporting next week that that is going to decide where this market goes. don't you think? >> yes. the expectations in terms of what the potential growth for eps and the pote
don't forget how large that economy is relative to the world economies so i think the market has nothing but not green shoots but blossoming flowers. go buy it. >> so why then, doc, are you still more cautious than the other guys? >> partly because, judge, i like owning options instead of owning equities. i just do. the only times i like owning equities are like for instance when joe and i fight about stocks with nice yield. i mean whether it's a verizon or whether it is intel, if...
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economy is on good footing. any messages for washington as we approach another debt ceiling increase potentially, dan akerson of gm said don't screw up the economy holding it hose -- hose hostage, do you share that? >> uncertainty has to be removed as quickly as possible. it is not a good environment for consumer confidence to be built, so we're looking for resolution on debt ceiling, resolution on spending plans so that consumers can focus on really going about their business in a normal way. >> wants to build cars, not make policy. there you go. it's a good one. i owned ford explorers for 20 straight years. this is a real competitor to that vehicle. dennis: jeff flock, good job. thanks, den. cheryl: time for the west coast minute, a double digit return for the public employees pension system. it had a 2% return back in 2012. the nation's largest pension has investments worth $252 billion, almost back to its peak level of 2007 when the fund held $260 billion in assets. the fund's performance was just below its
economy is on good footing. any messages for washington as we approach another debt ceiling increase potentially, dan akerson of gm said don't screw up the economy holding it hose -- hose hostage, do you share that? >> uncertainty has to be removed as quickly as possible. it is not a good environment for consumer confidence to be built, so we're looking for resolution on debt ceiling, resolution on spending plans so that consumers can focus on really going about their business in a normal...
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economy. we'll see their economy return to growth. and you can't ultimately pay down debt until you've got economic growth. >> and just to get a little specific, what trades do you like then given the scenario that you're laying out? >> i think generally -- i think the story about europe is a global one because it's been the biggest drag on global growth. we've had a global confidence cries us that has prevented all of this cash -- if you look at u.s. companies, there's $2 trillion of cash -- >> trades, trades, pierce, trades. >> equities primarily. >> okay. >> and then you can pick. i think it's still going to be a macro move. you say trade, you want me to talk about sectors or geographic locations, fine. i think generally equities will go higher. peripheral europe will still outperform as will china. i like china particularly because it's undervalued. i think they're going to benefit from the european story. >> we'll talk about what needs to happen in the bond markets, as well. >> yes. >> in
economy. we'll see their economy return to growth. and you can't ultimately pay down debt until you've got economic growth. >> and just to get a little specific, what trades do you like then given the scenario that you're laying out? >> i think generally -- i think the story about europe is a global one because it's been the biggest drag on global growth. we've had a global confidence cries us that has prevented all of this cash -- if you look at u.s. companies, there's $2 trillion...
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economy is being under valued. $1.4 trillion is the run-up and i expect the u.s. to outperform again. >> joey? >> i think the u.s. continues to do well and the ultimate indicator is where volatility is. it's incredibly cheap and remains -- insurance can be provided to protect your portfolio. i don't think that the ultimate concerns that the people have. >> we've got news on germany and the german economy, gdp is contracting. it was down half of a percent. in 011 it was up 3% n 2012 it was up .7%. they are the engine for growth there. i'm not sure it's going to work out for you in the first half of the year. for europe, i don't think it's undervalued. it's had a great run into the u.s. >> two major banks report earnings tomorrow. much of the conversation that we're having today certainly directed to what is going on with the banks and what it could mean for the markets. jpmorgan, goldman, ahead of the market tomorrow. joe t., you take yours? >> my position has been goldman sachs, be morgan stanley. it's been that way for a long time. i like the marketplace here. i
economy is being under valued. $1.4 trillion is the run-up and i expect the u.s. to outperform again. >> joey? >> i think the u.s. continues to do well and the ultimate indicator is where volatility is. it's incredibly cheap and remains -- insurance can be provided to protect your portfolio. i don't think that the ultimate concerns that the people have. >> we've got news on germany and the german economy, gdp is contracting. it was down half of a percent. in 011 it was up 3% n...
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. >> they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> reporter: republicans called the president hypocritical for saying he will not negotiate over the debt limit while blasting republicans for refusing to negotiate. and they fired back that the debate over the debt ceiling was the perfect time to consider legislation to cut spending. at the same time, only a handful of republicans have actually said they'd let the united states default on its bills. >> the president claims this, but republicans have always raised the debt ceiling. we've never seen the debt limit fail to be raised. all they have said is we want to apply the same criteria that the president himself applied when he was a senator and say we don't want to give the president a blank check. we would like to fix the substantive problem which is the level and the growth in the debt. >> reporter: markets are almost trea
. >> they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. the financial well-being of the american people is not leverage to be used. the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not a bargaining chip. >> reporter: republicans called the president hypocritical for saying he will not negotiate over the debt limit while blasting republicans for refusing to negotiate. and they fired back that the debate over the debt ceiling was the perfect...
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it will damage our economy. the government is a big part of this economy. it is interesting, a lot of times you people who recognize that when it comes to defense spending. when it comes to that defense contract in their district, they think, wow, this is a pretty important part. let's just take sure we are not spending on those other folks. [inaudible question] >> you know, look, my hope is that common sense prevails. that is always my preference. i think that would be the preference of the american people and i think it would be good for the economy, let me just repeat, if the issue is deficit reduction, getting our deficits sustainable over ttme getting our debt in a sustainable place, then democrats and republicans will have a partner with me. we can achieve that and we can achieve it fairly quickly, we know what the numbers are and we know what needs to be done. we know what a balanced approach would take. there has probably been more pain and drama and getting there than we needed. finishing the job should not be that difficult. if everyone comes to t
it will damage our economy. the government is a big part of this economy. it is interesting, a lot of times you people who recognize that when it comes to defense spending. when it comes to that defense contract in their district, they think, wow, this is a pretty important part. let's just take sure we are not spending on those other folks. [inaudible question] >> you know, look, my hope is that common sense prevails. that is always my preference. i think that would be the preference of...
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economy questioned, that kind of drop in confidence has the potential to create the next financial collapse. of course, so does unchecked runaway spending. so, it seems clear, neither is a good option. it's hope washington realizes this. quick check on the markets and it was a mixed day. the dow jones up 18 points. nasdaq down 8. s&p 500 down 1.37 points. the real stock of the day was dell. it is higher today on reports that it is in talks over a possible buyout by private equity firms. take a look. the stock rallied almost 13%. that will do it for us. thank you for being with us. hope you'll follow me on twitter and google plus. stay with cnbc, because "fast money" begins right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square. i'm melissa lee. sour apples. shares of the iphone maker slide. is apple turning into forbidden fruit? the mystery event. what facebook could be unveiling in less than 24 hours. we're in countdown mode with one of its biggest investors. and the great rotation into stocks heating up. we get the likely impact. first, our top story. apple shares
economy questioned, that kind of drop in confidence has the potential to create the next financial collapse. of course, so does unchecked runaway spending. so, it seems clear, neither is a good option. it's hope washington realizes this. quick check on the markets and it was a mixed day. the dow jones up 18 points. nasdaq down 8. s&p 500 down 1.37 points. the real stock of the day was dell. it is higher today on reports that it is in talks over a possible buyout by private equity firms....
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a lot of the conditions in the economy are slow. it spending is to the really that great. so i don't know if the estimates are that achievable. i also think that yeah, better risk/reward in other sectors in the market. we're trying to advise our clients how to outperform the s&p. i think there is better opportunity. within tech there are some things we like where recommending suck stocks for example. i think that is one economically sensitive area that the stocks haven't participated that much in the rally. >> susie: let's talk about the areas that have been telling your clients, morgan stanley clients which direction to go. you have three big themes for your clients. buy stocks with from american companies with exposure to china, positive on china. buy dividend paying stocks and you like very large stocks, what you call megastocks. why are these the themes for you? >> well, look, for china i think we identified late last fall that the u.s. companies with china exposure had really lagged the broader market and had gotten quite cheap. and the china economy started to stabil
a lot of the conditions in the economy are slow. it spending is to the really that great. so i don't know if the estimates are that achievable. i also think that yeah, better risk/reward in other sectors in the market. we're trying to advise our clients how to outperform the s&p. i think there is better opportunity. within tech there are some things we like where recommending suck stocks for example. i think that is one economically sensitive area that the stocks haven't participated that...
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the economy will be picking up. housing likely to get in on it. >> maybe we're actually breaking -- maybe the valuations aren't -- >> based on what? >> come on, under wells fargo? >> michael dell, and suddenly, mr. skeptic -- >> overheated debt market, that's always a good sign for an economy. that's always a sign that things are getting a lot better. >> it's been getting overheated since 1979. >> big lbos. that worked out real well. no, i'm just -- there's housing, sales of pickups. sales of cars in europe for 2012, not so good. we'll talk about that. >> germany, the bmw sales, volkswagen sales. one of my cousins in mexico is near a bmw, new plant. the germans are down. they're buying like crazy. germany business, good. rest of the continent okay. ford cutting back very dramatically. >> boeing, more problems related to the dreamliner. japanese grounded their 787 for safety checks. the national transportation safety board, faa are going to japan to assess that incident. when the first problems arose last week, week
the economy will be picking up. housing likely to get in on it. >> maybe we're actually breaking -- maybe the valuations aren't -- >> based on what? >> come on, under wells fargo? >> michael dell, and suddenly, mr. skeptic -- >> overheated debt market, that's always a good sign for an economy. that's always a sign that things are getting a lot better. >> it's been getting overheated since 1979. >> big lbos. that worked out real well. no, i'm just --...
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on because financials are a significant sector in the overall market, and they have the pulse on the economy, in terms of housing, mortgages, hiring, and we watch that trading activity in the last quarter. >> susie: and we'll have all of those numbers tomorrow. that's "nightly business report" for tonight, tuesday, jnuary 15. have a great evening, everyone. see you tomorrow, tom. have a great evening, everyone. and you, too, tom. >> tom: good night, susie. we'll see you online at www.nbr.com and back here tomorrow night. captioning sponsored by wpbt captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
on because financials are a significant sector in the overall market, and they have the pulse on the economy, in terms of housing, mortgages, hiring, and we watch that trading activity in the last quarter. >> susie: and we'll have all of those numbers tomorrow. that's "nightly business report" for tonight, tuesday, jnuary 15. have a great evening, everyone. see you tomorrow, tom. have a great evening, everyone. and you, too, tom. >> tom: good night, susie. we'll see you...
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on because financials are a significant sector in the overall market, and they have the pulse on the economy, in terms of housing, mortgages, hiring, and we watch that trading activity in the last quarter. >> susie: and we'll have all of those numbers tomorrow. that's "nightly business report" for tonight, tuesday, january 15. have a great evening, everyone. see you tomorrow, tom. hae a great evenin everye. and you, too, tom. >> tom:ood night, susie. we'll see you online at www.nbr.com and back here tomorrow night. captioning sponsored by wpbt captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org
on because financials are a significant sector in the overall market, and they have the pulse on the economy, in terms of housing, mortgages, hiring, and we watch that trading activity in the last quarter. >> susie: and we'll have all of those numbers tomorrow. that's "nightly business report" for tonight, tuesday, january 15. have a great evening, everyone. see you tomorrow, tom. hae a great evenin everye. and you, too, tom. >> tom:ood night, susie. we'll see you online...
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to the economy. what we're not going to do is put ourselves in a position where in order to pay for spending that we've already incurred, that our two options are we're either going to profoundly hurt the economy and hurt middle-class families and hurt seniors and hurt kids who are trying to go to college, or alternatively we're going to blow up the economy. we're not going to do that. not whatever congress asks me they're going to have to send me something that's sensible. and we shouldn't be doing this, and we shouldn't be doing this on a one to three-month time frame. why would we do that? this is the united states of america, major. we can't manage our affairs in such a way that we pay our bills and we provide some certainty in terms of how we pay our bills? look, i don't think anybody would consider my position unreasonable here. i have -- [ inaudible ] major, i am happy to have a conversation about how we reduce our deficits. i'm not going to have a monthly or every three months conversation ab
to the economy. what we're not going to do is put ourselves in a position where in order to pay for spending that we've already incurred, that our two options are we're either going to profoundly hurt the economy and hurt middle-class families and hurt seniors and hurt kids who are trying to go to college, or alternatively we're going to blow up the economy. we're not going to do that. not whatever congress asks me they're going to have to send me something that's sensible. and we shouldn't be...
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on because financials are a significant sector in the overall market, and they have the pulse on the economy, in terms of housing, mortgages, hiring, and we watch that trading activity in the last quarter. >> susie: and we'll have all of those numbers tomorrow. that's "nightly business report" for tonight, tuesday, january 15. have a great evening, everyone. see you tomorrow, tom. have a great evening, everyone. and you, too, tom. >> tom: good night, susie. we'll see you online at www.nbr.com and back here tomorrow night. captioning sponsored by wpbt captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org >>> tonight on "spark" -- we meet artists who fuse genres, cultures and modes of expression in ways that are surprising and provocative. in our first story, we'll check out the growing phenomenon of muslim hip-hop. >> home of the brave, land of the free, now this i still got to see. it's not what mainstream muslims really talk about. >> they're realizing that their kids are being influenced by rap music more than anything else, including them. >>> then -- we'll visit the west marin studio o
on because financials are a significant sector in the overall market, and they have the pulse on the economy, in terms of housing, mortgages, hiring, and we watch that trading activity in the last quarter. >> susie: and we'll have all of those numbers tomorrow. that's "nightly business report" for tonight, tuesday, january 15. have a great evening, everyone. see you tomorrow, tom. have a great evening, everyone. and you, too, tom. >> tom: good night, susie. we'll see you...
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economy barely grew 1% in the fourth quarter. we have a situation where it could be sluggish in the first quarter. we're up five points on the s&p since december since we had qe3 and the fed indicating they would target unemployment. to us it feels like we're in the stratosphere. >> the market down 20%. isn't that recession you're talking about? >> you got to think there's a danger. doesn't have to be a recession. you have to think there's a danger. if you look at the dynamics, you look at the consumer confidence numbers which are beginning to roll a little bit, there is a danger that could take place and a lot will depend on the resolution. look at the vix and these low levels on this downward sloping trend line the pattern is very similar to april of 2011. i'm sure you all remember that the stock market held up a little bit longer and turned in may and then between may and august it dropped 22%. what was the biggest factor? the debt ceiling negotiations. >> tom the market really rolled over in the spring of 2011 because trichet
economy barely grew 1% in the fourth quarter. we have a situation where it could be sluggish in the first quarter. we're up five points on the s&p since december since we had qe3 and the fed indicating they would target unemployment. to us it feels like we're in the stratosphere. >> the market down 20%. isn't that recession you're talking about? >> you got to think there's a danger. doesn't have to be a recession. you have to think there's a danger. if you look at the dynamics,...
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what do you think that tells us on where we are in the economy? >> look at numbers of the last week or two, retail production numbers for december, and they were actually pretty good. of course, the employment numbers we already know were soiled, and this is in a period where the uncertainty over the fiscal cliff was reaching a maximum. you know, maria, you think that's pretty encouraging that the economy has managed to cope with a high level of uncertainty. now the thing that kind of bothers me though is i'm a little bit worried that this coping is flipping over to complacency. the vix is now at a six-year low, and it tells me that the market is discounting 100% probability that we get through the debt ceiling without any trouble. that seems too high to me. >> so do you think the market is expecting that? i mean, when would you expect a big change in terms of the interest rate scenario? >> in terms of the interest rate scenario, probably nothing this year. i mean, we're at least a couple years away from a higher move -- a move higher in interest
what do you think that tells us on where we are in the economy? >> look at numbers of the last week or two, retail production numbers for december, and they were actually pretty good. of course, the employment numbers we already know were soiled, and this is in a period where the uncertainty over the fiscal cliff was reaching a maximum. you know, maria, you think that's pretty encouraging that the economy has managed to cope with a high level of uncertainty. now the thing that kind of...
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you know, the economy, you know, two steps forward, one step back, and corporate america can't carry the water. it will be difficult for the market, and priced pretty much to perfection at the current level with popular averages, not leaving room for disappointment. liz: hate one step forward, two back -- >> no, the other way. liz: either way, not moving fast. is that at a decent clip? >> actually, that's something we talked about last week on the show, and what we're looking at, again, south africa, right now, the mining situation is getting worse and worse, and -- liz: labor issues? >> the strikes, strikes, labor issues, and a threat that some of the major companies are shutting down the mines until they resolve this. we'll have a shortage in these areas, and, also, seeing platinum taking a bit of a piggy back ride up. it's at the 1680s mirroring where gold is now. silver is joining along for the ride. we're seeing a lot happening with the precious metals. liz: platinum is higher than gold for the first time in ten months. do you care? is that significant? it's 1682 against 1680, t
you know, the economy, you know, two steps forward, one step back, and corporate america can't carry the water. it will be difficult for the market, and priced pretty much to perfection at the current level with popular averages, not leaving room for disappointment. liz: hate one step forward, two back -- >> no, the other way. liz: either way, not moving fast. is that at a decent clip? >> actually, that's something we talked about last week on the show, and what we're looking at,...
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economy which means a lot to u.s. companies, but at the same time, the peso, if there is more pressure on that currency, what does that mean for us, do you think? >> so the peso has been pretty interesting because their central bank last week did a little bit of a 180 because they were expecting that they were going to be raising interest rates sometime here in 2013. and they kind of just pulled the rug out underneath it saying, you know, there's the potential that we might actually start to, you know, maybe reduce interest rates. [talking over each other] >> it was definitely something that caught participants by surprise, testing some previous 2012 lows there in terms of dollar mexico. it will be interesting to see if that trend continues. but mexico i think is a currency that we still want to be going into going forward. cheryl: one of the things we look on a daily basis during the market hours is what the euro is doing versus the dollar. always surprised me that the euro never went below like a $1.22 or so against
economy which means a lot to u.s. companies, but at the same time, the peso, if there is more pressure on that currency, what does that mean for us, do you think? >> so the peso has been pretty interesting because their central bank last week did a little bit of a 180 because they were expecting that they were going to be raising interest rates sometime here in 2013. and they kind of just pulled the rug out underneath it saying, you know, there's the potential that we might actually start...
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is still a better economy than so many of the economies around the world. and so we benefit from that. we remain the a safe haven at the moment, until we aren't anymore. the question is, when will that happen. the second point is, markets have many immediate threats to be worried about. recently we had, are we going over the fiscal cliff or are we not. now the question whether the sequester will hit, which would be too much deficit reduction in too many parts of the budget too quickly. will we have a government shutdown because funding will end? and the debt ceiling there are a lot of action-forcing moments markets are worried about. the bigger issue is our deficits and debt. the fact that is more like thing from in the boiling water. it gradually undermines your economy's ability to perform, it hurts economic growth and takes away the stability that allows us to generate growth through investment, job creation, all the things we need to get the economy going. markets will not like to respond to that on any one day. it will hinder our economic performance.
is still a better economy than so many of the economies around the world. and so we benefit from that. we remain the a safe haven at the moment, until we aren't anymore. the question is, when will that happen. the second point is, markets have many immediate threats to be worried about. recently we had, are we going over the fiscal cliff or are we not. now the question whether the sequester will hit, which would be too much deficit reduction in too many parts of the budget too quickly. will we...
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economy which is still the biggest economy in the world, if you've got a weak economy, unfortunately, i know you are saying good economy, but some are saying we are going to have a weak economy in 2013, if that's the case, do i want to be high yield? does that make sense to you? >> yeah, it does because high yield you get paid a lot of different ways. high income, risk adjusted return. last year up over 15%. almost as much as equities, but you're still getting paid to take that risk to be in there. global bonds is a win-win-win. you get paid on yield. you get paid on -- for diversification. you get paid on currency risk. so that's a good place to be. and i'm not saying we're in armageddon on the equities side i do like mid caps, but what i think you need to be is make sure just trim back a little bit on equities, and i don't think it's the end of the world. but good economy part is the consumer. we like the consumer because the fed with the quantitative easing is bolstering the consumer through housing, and that's why i think for the consumers, for main street, it's going to feel good
economy which is still the biggest economy in the world, if you've got a weak economy, unfortunately, i know you are saying good economy, but some are saying we are going to have a weak economy in 2013, if that's the case, do i want to be high yield? does that make sense to you? >> yeah, it does because high yield you get paid a lot of different ways. high income, risk adjusted return. last year up over 15%. almost as much as equities, but you're still getting paid to take that risk to be...
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and what is its impact on the economy and productivity. joining me now is hudson institute senior fellow and former health and human services. nice to have you back. do we have a gauge as to how much this flu will cost the busy con my in businesses? >> unfortunately costing businesses about $10.4 billion. that is real cash it will cost businesses. on the other hand, while businesses need to get work done, they need to be careful not to force people to come to work, spread it, and make it worse. >> a lot of people want it hang on to their jobs. the economy is recovering but we are not back to the best employment yet. a lot of employees feel they have to come in no matter what. >> the truth is, you learned all the things you need to learn in kindergarten. wash your hands well, cough into your sleeve. if you're sick, don't go to sleeve or work. it does put people into a bind and we know it is a tough situation. >> this flu seemed to come earlier than in the past. is that the case? >> we're not sure it is that much worse than other flu seasons
and what is its impact on the economy and productivity. joining me now is hudson institute senior fellow and former health and human services. nice to have you back. do we have a gauge as to how much this flu will cost the busy con my in businesses? >> unfortunately costing businesses about $10.4 billion. that is real cash it will cost businesses. on the other hand, while businesses need to get work done, they need to be careful not to force people to come to work, spread it, and make it...
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the economy is morrow less back on track. we think there would be more proactive fiscal policies to come action but most of those announcements will come likely in march. >> the new government has made several nods towards urbanization, so we've seen material stocks go higher. investors like to think of china in the growth sector. is that where you see some of the best opportunities at this point? >> we do see a lot of those sectors did run up after the urbanization push and all of the news media coverage around it. we see more details on the exact urbanization probably in march or april, but at this point i think there's numerous ways to go. the obvious interpretation is more infrastructure investment, but other than the, premier to be has been very focused on the social safety net issues as well, saying he needs to migrate more people into the urban areas. you need to provide better health care and better social housing, so don'tunder estimate what we might see. >> another long-term issue is basic manufacturing is starting
the economy is morrow less back on track. we think there would be more proactive fiscal policies to come action but most of those announcements will come likely in march. >> the new government has made several nods towards urbanization, so we've seen material stocks go higher. investors like to think of china in the growth sector. is that where you see some of the best opportunities at this point? >> we do see a lot of those sectors did run up after the urbanization push and all of...
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can you not have a couple of people in one room who are going to get your economy right. you need to get the incentives right and need to have the information disbursed. let's talk about the bank regulation part first. i think a lot of what we saw was one a factor of who was on the fed. you had a bunch of academics as cramer mentioned earlier, didn't have that many people who knew about banking, a lot of information coming from wall street. investment banks look a lot different than commercial banks, a lot of different things going on in the sectors so you didn't even have people at the table who really had a sense of what was going on at the economy so i would feel much more comfortable if we take banking regulation and give it to the bank regulators because ultimately i think a lot of the bailouts were about the mistakes made the new york fed, mistakes made at the fed board and they were using bailouts to cover up their own mistakes. aig, all of these cdss were done because the bank approved of cds to create bank capital. they create that had mistake. we can argue wheth
can you not have a couple of people in one room who are going to get your economy right. you need to get the incentives right and need to have the information disbursed. let's talk about the bank regulation part first. i think a lot of what we saw was one a factor of who was on the fed. you had a bunch of academics as cramer mentioned earlier, didn't have that many people who knew about banking, a lot of information coming from wall street. investment banks look a lot different than commercial...
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two indicators that say a lot about our economy. first off, a lot of people tapping into their 401(k)'s before retirement. billions of dollars being taken out to pay current bills. another one coming at the top of the hour, a number of working poor people growing. millions of families , but they're working at the same time. and that story new at 10 precisely. time is money, 30 seconds, here is what else we've got for you tuesday morning. president obama readying 19 on gun control. the judge will tell us about it. and lance armstrong finally admitting to doping, now he's come clean, is there any way his image can be rehabilitated. i say no way. and thanks to obamacare, the cost of your health insurance could go up as much as 50%. find out why you will be paying a whole lot more t all right, seven earlies, here we go on a tuesday morning. the circuit manufacturer, multi-fine line, less money coming in, the stock is down. retailer, goredman's never heard of them, but gordman's lowered its outlook. and radioshack ended its unprofitable
two indicators that say a lot about our economy. first off, a lot of people tapping into their 401(k)'s before retirement. billions of dollars being taken out to pay current bills. another one coming at the top of the hour, a number of working poor people growing. millions of families , but they're working at the same time. and that story new at 10 precisely. time is money, 30 seconds, here is what else we've got for you tuesday morning. president obama readying 19 on gun control. the judge...
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the entire economy has suffered from the fall of lehman brothers. >> so the whole world? >> yes, the whole world. >> when lehman brothers collapsed, 26,000 employees lost their jobs, and millions of investors lost all or almost all of their money, triggering a chain reaction that produced the worst financial crisis and economic downturn in 70 years. anton valukas' job was to provide the bankruptcy court with accurate, reliable information that the judges could use to resolve the claims of creditors picking over lehman's corpse. had you ever done anything like this before? >> i've never done anything like lehman brothers. i don't think anybody else has ever done anything like lehman brothers. >> so your job, i mean, in some ways, your job was to assess blame? >> our job is to determine what actually happened, put the cards face up on the table, and let everybody see what the facts truly are. >> valukas' team spent a year and a half interviewing hundreds of former employees and pouring over 34 million documents. they told of how lehman bought up huge amounts of real estate
the entire economy has suffered from the fall of lehman brothers. >> so the whole world? >> yes, the whole world. >> when lehman brothers collapsed, 26,000 employees lost their jobs, and millions of investors lost all or almost all of their money, triggering a chain reaction that produced the worst financial crisis and economic downturn in 70 years. anton valukas' job was to provide the bankruptcy court with accurate, reliable information that the judges could use to resolve...
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what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone is ready with the know-how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make sure you're ready. at devry.edu/knowhow. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] some day, your life will flash before your eyes. make it worth...
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i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same batehavior i've seen over d over and over again. they are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run. but wakes itself up perhaps with my clock and if history serves me right, they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being catalysts galore. bob in florida, bob >> it is fwrat to tais great to. south florida by way of teaneck, new jersey. i'm calling about krispy kreme donuts. i sold it and forgot about it and now it seems like they reinvented themselves. the stock is up 70% since mid november and still trading. even talk about take over. >> i believe there is a turn going on. it has been ages since i looked at it. the last time i looked at it i chipped my tooth. i will do more work on it and see where this one can stop. nobody does know. robert in massachusetts, robert. >> booyah jim, hail from massachusett
i bet that this is one of these moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same batehavior i've seen over d over and over again. they are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run. but wakes itself up perhaps with my clock and if history serves me right, they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being...
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so our economy is robust. the oil and gas sector has been doing great. car sales have been doing great. we never had a sub prime problem. so housing starts are back up again to about 75,000 single family permits issued. the main thing is capital will flee a hostile environment. if i were a risk taking entrepreneur in california i would be thinking about heading east to texas. >> i feel a bit dumb because i had no idea of the export power of texas. i probably would have picked california. we'll show a table and what this table says is texas 2011 exports, $251 billion in second place california at $159 billion. that is very impressive. hears what i like the most. go to the next table. it is easy. when i first heard it i said it's obvious because california doesn't maximize natural resources because of the green component. has such a large lobby and presence in california. even if you extract all the exports petroleum and coal products that still leaves you around 200 billion. you're still blowing the competition away. >> yep. isn't that nice? we also have
so our economy is robust. the oil and gas sector has been doing great. car sales have been doing great. we never had a sub prime problem. so housing starts are back up again to about 75,000 single family permits issued. the main thing is capital will flee a hostile environment. if i were a risk taking entrepreneur in california i would be thinking about heading east to texas. >> i feel a bit dumb because i had no idea of the export power of texas. i probably would have picked california....
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the white house folks is saying that is the economy, stupid. it is percolating again. you say no? >> no. i think joe alluded to it. he touched upon it just now. many economists are talking about the fact that the worry is coming from corporations, both big and small businesses, not hiring, neil. that is because they can't trust this president to be an honest negotiator. so, we, you know the speaker of the house, and the minority leader, mitch mcconnell, gave the president what i call tax blood. he said, okay, we're going to give in. we'll let you raise taxes on the rich. which only will reyour trillion dollar deficit spending each year 5%, folks. so they gave them that. what does he come back with? we want more. i want more tax hikes which aren't going to do anything to calm the debt and the spending. he is not willing, and so i think back to what joe said. i think marco said this too. small business owners and large corporations can't trust the president. that's why they're sitting on top of all this cash and not hiring. that doesn't bode well. neil: marco, quickly you see nothin
the white house folks is saying that is the economy, stupid. it is percolating again. you say no? >> no. i think joe alluded to it. he touched upon it just now. many economists are talking about the fact that the worry is coming from corporations, both big and small businesses, not hiring, neil. that is because they can't trust this president to be an honest negotiator. so, we, you know the speaker of the house, and the minority leader, mitch mcconnell, gave the president what i call tax...
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i bet that this is one of those moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same behavior i've seen over and over and over again. down days are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run, but wakes itself up perhaps with my alarm clock and if history serves me right, when stocks awaken they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their evaluations ended up being catalysts galore. bob in florida, bob. >> it is great to talk to you. south florida by way of teaneck, new jersey. i'm calling about krispy kreme donuts. i owned this stock years ago. i sold it and forgot about it and now it seems like they reinvented themselves. they're offering healthy items. the stock is up 70% since mid november and still trading at low p/e and peg. even talk about take over. >> i believe there is a turn going on. it has been ages since i looked at it. the last time i looked at it i chipped my tooth. i will do more work on it and see whe
i bet that this is one of those moments where the world economies are going to be better. i say that because it is the same behavior i've seen over and over and over again. down days are days to buy, not sell. in order to get into this bull market, here is the bottom line, i think this market is simply taking a snooze after a big bull run, but wakes itself up perhaps with my alarm clock and if history serves me right, when stocks awaken they go higher not lower and it is turned out that their...
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if they do this, what happens to the economy, the stock market? >> well, i would think that financial markets have had enough warning of a possible downgrade of the u.s. aaa credit rating by an agency other than s&p, and thus perhaps it would not have that damaging impact. the downgrade was not especially g. that being said there will be a negative psychological shock that will temporarily send share prices sharply lower, but provided that policymakers in washington could reassure markets that washington is going to do more to stabilize the budget. maybe that -- gerri: it makes into the pipe. they did it -- did not to say there are going to downgraded if we did not like the debt ceiling prices go away. they also said the current outlook is likely to be resolved even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted. they want to see spending cut. now, do you think that the markets would go to town if there was some big deal on spending? >> i think if substantial progress was made at kirby expenditures over time so that this threat of a data rate could be
if they do this, what happens to the economy, the stock market? >> well, i would think that financial markets have had enough warning of a possible downgrade of the u.s. aaa credit rating by an agency other than s&p, and thus perhaps it would not have that damaging impact. the downgrade was not especially g. that being said there will be a negative psychological shock that will temporarily send share prices sharply lower, but provided that policymakers in washington could reassure...